Updated April 4, 2008 6:35pm
By the NBC News Investigative Unit
A Tampa megachurch under scrutiny by Senate investigators directed church staffers to make political contributions to a Republican gubernatorial candidate, according to documents obtained by NBC News.
A month-long NBC News investigation also found information indicating that the church's pastor, Randy White, seems to have lied about a business transaction in a deposition made under oath, and misrepresented his religious academic credentials.
Without Walls International, a megachurch founded by televangelists Randy and Paula White, is one of six tax-exempt religious ministries the Senate Finance Committee is examining, amid allegations some of the ministers misused church funds to enrich themselves. Last month, NBC News reported the results of its investigation into some of these allegations.
Church
directed political contributions?
NBC News obtained an e-mail (some identifying pieces of
information in the e-mail have been removed by NBC) in which a
Without Walls church staff member reporting to the Whites appears to
direct other staffers to make political contributions to a
Republican candidate for governor of Florida, Charlie Crist, who won
the gubernatorial race later that year.
In the e-mail in 2006, the staffer writes, "Per our recent conversations…This is just a reminder that I need each of your checks for $500 made payable to: Charlie Crist for Governor. I need to send these our [sic] tonight."
Florida state election records list several $500 donations to Crist dated days later, from individuals listed as recipients in the e-mail. A spokesman for Gov. Crist told NBC News in an e-mail that neither the governor nor his campaign staff was aware that the Whites' church may have directed such donations to Crist's 2006 campaign.
The IRS prohibits tax-exempt churches from "directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for elective public office." Without Walls International Church declined to respond to NBC News' questions about the e-mail.
[Update 04/04/08 6:35pm: On Friday, attorneys representing the Whites sent NBC News a new statement. "It is our understanding," the statement reads, "that no political contributions were solicited on behalf of the Church. If individuals solicited contributions for a particular candidate on their own behalf, they would have been doing so just as people who support a particular candidate would do in any organization – asking among their friends and colleagues at work."]
Church
pastor lied about business deal under oath?
NBC News also obtained copies of audio recordings and
documents which strongly suggest that Randy White lied under oath
when testifying about a 2002 business deal.
Todd Bates, a pilot and aircraft broker who owns Motor City Aviation near Detroit, sued the Whites' church in 2002 because, he says, Randy White reneged on a verbal deal he made to purchase a used corporate jet Bates had found for the church.
In a deposition taken under oath as part of the case in 2002, White testifies that he never told Bates he would buy the airplane, and that he in fact never spoke to Bates by phone. Here are excerpts from the deposition:
BATES' ATTORNEY: "You never had a conversation on the phone with Mr. Bates where you told him, I'm buying the airplane?"
RANDY WHITE: "Correct."
BATES' ATTORNEY: "You never were on the phone with Mr. Bates at all, to your recollection?"
RANDY WHITE: "Correct."
Then, a few moments later:
BATES: "So would it be fair to say that if, in fact, you did, say, have a [sic] conversations with Mr. Bates on the phone and did say those words to Mr. Bates, you're a liar?"
RANDY WHITE: "I don't lie."
At the time of the deposition, Bates says, Randy White was unaware that Bates had recorded his telephone calls with White regarding the plane deal. Bates provided copies of these recordings to NBC News. In a recording dated May 2002, Randy White seems to agree to buy the plane.
Click here to listen to an excerpt of a key exchange.
TODD BATES:
"If what you're telling me is, that you want this aircraft, and you
want to do it, I will handle it for you, I will put together all of
the details, and it will be dealt with, and it will be dealt with
quickly, efficiently and then I will come down there and set up your
flight department and get everything set up with your lease-back
hours and everything like I said."
RANDY WHITE:
"Cool. That's where we want to go with it."
TODD BATES:
"...if you're telling me -- as you being the head honcho, top dog at
Without Walls -- that this is the deal, then you and me as
Christians and whatever are agreeing that we've got a deal, then
we've got a deal and we'll work out the details later."
RANDY WHITE:
"Good. Let's make it happen."
In a recording of another call (click to listen) dated several
weeks later, Randy White appears to backpedal after Bates challenges
him.
TODD BATES: "I assure you that there's nobody else I would have done
this for. Except, I would've thought that a pastor of a large
church gives me his word that he's buying an airplane -- I didn't
think I had to worry about anything else."
RANDY WHITE: "Right. Well, it's not that I was lying to you. At that time I was buying the airplane, but a better deal came along."
"I was stunned," Bates told NBC in an interview, "at the amount of lies and misrepresentations."
Bates settled with the Whites' church for an undisclosed sum. Since then he has pursued a public Internet campaign to discredit the Whites as frauds.
Church
pastor misrepresented academic credentials?
Bates provided NBC News documentation supporting another of
his claims: that Randy White has lied about his academic
credentials. In preparation for his lawsuit, Bates researched
Randy White's background. He wrote to two schools Randy White
had claimed awarded him degrees, asking them to verify the degrees.
In correspondence, both schools specifically denied awarding Randy
White degrees.
A "Pastor's Bio" posted on the Without Walls International Church Web site in 2002 states that White received a Bachelor's degree in Ministerial Studies and a Master's Degree in Divinity from Lee College in Cleveland, Tenn., now known as Lee University.
While Bates provided the saved Web page to NBC News, NBC News independently confirmed its authenticity, finding the exact same text stored on an archived version of the church's Web site.
A representative from Lee University told Bates in a 2002 e-mail that Randy White "was only here for two classes and then left during our Fall semester of 1975. He did not graduate from our institution with a degree of any kind…"
In his deposition in the lawsuit brought by Bates, White admits he obtained no degree from Lee, but claims he attended for two years. In response to another question, he claims he received an honorary degree in "Humane Letters" from Virginia State University in recognition of his church work.
A representative from Virginia State University told Bates in a 2002 letter that Randy White's name did not appear on its list of honorary degree recipients from 1935-2002.
NBC News double-checked with both academic institutions. While federal law has changed since Bates' inquiries, and now prohibits schools from acknowledging any information without students' permissions, neither school denied the validity or accuracy of the correpondence Bates provided NBC News. Elizabeth Gearhart, a staff member in the Registrar's office at Lee University, told NBC News in an email that "Bishop White has requested that no information regarding him be released from our institution."
The Whites declined to be interviewed by NBC News or to answer repeated questions about these issues. They have denied wrongdoing, stating: "We take our financial responsibilities to our partners very seriously and to the best of our knowledge we comply with all tax laws."
Last month, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, told NBC News that the Whites had agreed to cooperate with the committee's investigation. On Monday, a Senate Finance Committee staffer issued a memorandum saying it had received an intitial submission of information regarding the Whites' church.
At the same time, attorneys for the Whites' church issued a new statement saying "the Church is committed to complying with the requests of those governmental entities lawfully entitled to receive what they seek" and that church representatives "expect to have further dialogue with the Senator's office."
Linda Fecteau and Luke Mayo contributed to this report.
Comments (these are comments of persons who read the article on the NBC website)
Those are not temples of God. They are franchises.
Yes there is God,but I don't believe God is in most 'churches'. Being a priest or 'preacher' is good work if you have the stomach for feeding on another's faith.
Obama has been attending his church for 20 years. I'm sure he's made lots of friends at church - what's wrong with a friend helping a friend as he struggles to attain his goal?
Those are not temples of God. They are franchises.
Yes there is God,but I don't believe God is in most 'churches'. Being a priest or 'preacher' is good work if you have the stomach for feeding on another's faith.
Think! You can do it - if your god gave you the brains to be able to do it - i.e., you aren't one of the "sheep" that Chrisianity wants you to be.
Think! You can do it - if your god gave you the brains to be able to do it - i.e., you aren't one of the "sheep" that Chrisianity wants you to be.
The kingdom of God is within, perhaps all of you above critical of the whites know this to be true, I believe there are many who have grown disqusted by organized religion and the horrifying display of a well oiled jesus they are marketing. That along with fear, keeps them wealthy with power...which is a Big dust storm in the wind.
The bright side is their coruption, has refined many truly loving closet believers(without religion). Just like the politician's who are corupt, the revealing dross is floating Love you! Grandma Moses, Columbia, Oregon
God just wants the Gospel preached to all nations
no matter what race they are. But, taking money
from a church coffer is stealing from God's own
money. Tithe is given to the church to keep it going and to save souls most of all. Jesus said,"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's." He said nothing about
giving to a political party or anything about a
Sheep Director (Pastor) letting a church buy Him
an Airplane with the funds collected by the church. But, He did say something about helping the poor, widows, etc. Too many Pastors are trying
to make a name for themselves rather than feeding
their own flock what they really need.... The unabridged Word of God. "Let God be God and His enemies be scattered." The Whites are only a small part of the problems in religion today. How about the controlling Retreats sponsored by churhes today which change personalities of some of their members to keep them from being able to
really be themselves. These retreats have changed many of my old friends in ways that even Jesus would be ashamed.
Contolling people to keep them in a certain church is not the way to keep ones flock. Feed them the Word of God and they will know how to control themselves in a way that is pleasing to God and to the church. Feeding the flock the Word
is the only way people can learn how to be good examples to people who are unchurched. Too many of Pastors are feeding the church Psychology or lead by a Psychologist instead of a Bible Believing Pastor. We find many churches will not hire someone with real credentials...they just seem to want the ones with an Edge so they can use them for their own selfish desires. But, we can still find Pastors who are still doing a good job getting souls saved and preaching the Word as they should. So, don't let's throw out the good with the bad.
J.Shattuck, Anderson, S.C.
If you truly are a professor, you would understand that law is derived from morals. Morality must be legislated to have a truly free society. While unchurched people may have a solid moral system, it is usually based on a moral system (whether conscious or subconscious) derived from a particular religion. Without religion, sir, there are no laws; there is only anarchy.
These two are dangerous.
Without Walls congregation it's your responsiblity to kick this spirit out of your church. Stand up to these two and save your church. God will bless you for it!
If you don't know what the Jezebel spirit is....write to me lisa@pure-face.com....or read "Unmasking the Jezebel spirit.
Don't forget....David had five stones to kill Goliath. One stone for Goliath and four stones his four brothers.
You only have two people to deal with. Save Without Walls and kick this evil spirit out!!!!
It's Your Responsiblity - Intercessory Pray is needed to bind this spirit and kick it out!! You have the authority in the name of Jesus Christ and HIS BLOOD already made it done deal. Trust in the LORD with all your might and you will see the REAL glory of God come down on Without Walls.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS REBUKE THESE EVILDOERS!!! AMEN
Also, scriptures say "you shall know them by their fruit..." I think Paula and Randy's fruit is quite evident here, it is rotten!
I guess we don't need an investigation, a trial,jury, or judge, the verdict against the Whites are already in! Thank you people. You've just saved our justice system a hunk of money. As for me, I'll go along with Samuel (1 Samuel 15)and allow the church judges to determine whether the Whites should be found guilty.
Oh, here's another thought. The church is guilty, you were mistreated and cheated, Jesus isn't real, all the preachers are crooks and the people in the church are hypocrites. Republicans can't get elected without church donations. Christians are imbecile's who can't think on their own and shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion about anything in public.
Ok. people, you win...you're right. Now-who will you blame for your victimization? Who will now be responsible for your illegitmate children, your drug habits, your unpaid bills, your wayward children, your homeless dad, and your brother in prison? Who will you now blame because you lost your home to the bank and your car to the repossesor? When your democrat candidate finally convinces the majority that they are the answer, yet, your life doesn't change, then who will you blame for all of your sorrows?
MercyProf, Oklahoma City, Ok (Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:13 PM)